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all right here we go uap studies podcast

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very special episode today we have an

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amazing guest my name is louis borges

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joining me as always is jason gilmet how

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are you brother i'm very good brother

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how are you i'm good i'm very excited

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today we have caroline corey who is a

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true pioneer in the field uh has

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appeared on television shows movies

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authored i'm just going to list some of

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these things on the resume because it is

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quite impressive for sure so most of you

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have seen her on tv shows such as the

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unexplained with william shatner uh

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ancient aliens and the voice she's

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produced and hosts movies such as

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superhuman the inside made visible among

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us e.t contact i am the universe i am

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love

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multiple award winner including beverly

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hills film festival the great lakes film

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festival falcon film festival the list

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of awards is longer than i can read with

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the length of show we have

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and also an author she's wrote the

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visible and invisible worlds of god

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connecting to the source god among us

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without further a duel uh caroline corey

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welcome to our show

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hey louie hi jason thanks for having me

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so welcome to the show good to have you

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we want to start off maybe tell us a

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little bit about yourself uh that you

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know maybe some things people don't know

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uh also what got you into the the

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interest of not only uap phenomenon but

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you're big on you know consciousness and

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mind over matter esp

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so tell us a little bit what got you all

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into this and some of your past projects

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well uh it actually

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started out at a very young age when i

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was five years old i started having

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experiences

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i would see angels and spirits

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and i would sense things before they

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happen i would

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feel the energy around someone you know

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things like that or i would see

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something and then it would happen the

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next day

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i thought you know i was five years old

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right i thought oh well everybody does

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that uh it's not a big deal

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and it was later that i realized well

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not everybody does that spontaneously

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maybe maybe they do but they don't

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explore it so that asking these

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questions got me in the field of

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consciousness

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and because i realized it was my

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consciousness that was tapping into

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and so academically i uh enrolled in

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psychology in college just to also rule

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out the possibility that i was

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crazy

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so something was wrong with my brain you

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know uh that wasn't the case thank god

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anyway uh so my research in the field of

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consciousness uh was spent over 20 years

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and i was writing books and training

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scientists

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validation so for example

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we would do experiments and on remote

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you know affecting an object at a

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distance and things like that to measure

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the effect of consciousness and we would

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have astounding correlations like it

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we we thought it would and so working

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with scientists over and over on these

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types of paranormal subjects you know

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this this is real this this stuff is

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so we need to be sharing it with the

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and that's how i started making films

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about these subjects including ufos

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because i realized basically that i was

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trying to make the paranormal normal

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right and the consciousness with ufos

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like it seems to be the two are now

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linked together even the way that these

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so in consciousness these crafts have a

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sense of consciousness to them so uh

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did you link those that together early

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on is that something that uh you've

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the way that these things maneuvered

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that there's a greater consciousness

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oh my god definitely so but you know we

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phenomenon because it's bigger than just

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believe actually are human technology

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these are not so much connected to

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consciousness in the way we think you

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instant manifestation of that connection

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urge to just go outside

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these three balls of light literally

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bouncing off of each other

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intelligence behind this you know

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of light became four and then six and

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mile outside my house and so i'm walking

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walking and these lights are hovering

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said uh well do you see these lights

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i mean you just it's like an instant

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now i've seen you on ancient aliens

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the premise behind that show is a couple

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of things you know there's a few

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different theories i.e you know

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panspermia maybe we'll recede it on this

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planet maybe this is a third or fourth

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monoliths and things that are built and

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what are your thoughts on a

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you know have they been coming here

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forever are they related to us somehow

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are we them in the past or how do you

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been involved with many areas of this

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phenomenon right from the ancient times

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you know what are your sort of personal

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thoughts when you sum it all up what do

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we the human dna at least the human

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species didn't come from here because

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there's actual evidence that around two

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hundred 000 years ago there was a change

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and since that time it is where you know

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gary nolan who is a very famous

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things like that which means that every

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specific period of time in history the

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complexity of the system doubles

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the dna followed that same pattern

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time period is 600 000 years

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of that and so on and so forth all the

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when it first originated and they

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realized that they actually went back 9

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billion years before planet earth

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existed so hello

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and somewhere for sure

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does that make sense yeah absolutely

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saying his name

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off yeah he's got a great book series

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the foundation trilogies which i like

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the concept of it where it's about

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basically putting things and planned for

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thousands and thousands of years

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and i think the long-term plan here you

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somewhere else and brought here it could

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be you know a universal long-term plan

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but we're so short in our lifespans that

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this is uh you know a little bit beyond

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technologies now like crispr or gene

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editing software i mean if it were to

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get out of control the ethical

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implications are huge but in essence you

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could conjure up designer babies you

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want a six foot tall blue-eyed

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blond-haired baby no problem we could do

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that we don't know the long-term effects

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on our reproductive you know parts and

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everything else what would happen but if

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they really wanted us to evolve a

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million years they probably could do

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that right but maybe there's no gentle

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way of doing that

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maybe it needs to kind of go with that

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same flow of evolution we've already

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been accustomed to

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yeah it's fascinating so i mean there's

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just too much evidence that not just

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that the human dna originated somewhere

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else but also that we you know that we

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were visited by non-human civilizations

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i mean it's everywhere archaeologically

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or again through the dna patterning or

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um just history myths you know

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different cultures and

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i mean scriptures and so on so i mean so

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everything is wrong i don't think so

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yeah

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it's like saying there's no life in the

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universe and now we're finding all these

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exoplanets and every star you can see

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has at least one planet i mean our star

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has how many what eight if you count

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pluto right so just it's mathematically

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more improbable that there isn't life

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than to say there's not a chance like

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the numbers are staggering in favor of

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this having some credence for sure

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yeah i mean it's it's kind of uh yeah

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it's it just so doesn't make sense i

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can't even imagine

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that i mean just look around on this

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planet right i mean you see

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hundreds thousands of breeds of animals

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and plants and fish and this and that

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and

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you know so however this came about you

335
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know the variety of species that exist

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just on this planet

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and then the human species was born and

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that's it like we run out don't you know

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we run out of ideas of how to you know

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have another type of intelligent being i

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mean come on you know the height of

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human arrogance to think it's just us we

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know it all and that's kind of what's

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keeping us trapped in our level of

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civilization as well too

346
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exactly i wanted to ask you there was a

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documentary i saw with you and forgive

348
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me i don't remember which one it is but

349
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you were doing experiments with children

350
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yes you know gifted kids or just to see

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if we're all born with this gift is it

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something we shed through you know our

353
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environment or being told that you know

354
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that what you saw you didn't really see

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like it kind of gets dumbed down so i

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wanted to ask you a little bit about you

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know

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what your thoughts are on that or some

359
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you know cool information you might be

360
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able to shed on that subject

361
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yeah so that documentary is superhuman

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the invisible made visible

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and that documentary was also to me is a

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breakthrough because it basically talks

365
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about it doesn't talk about it it shows

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it demonstrates um

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in real time scientifically the

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connection

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between consciousness intention and the

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physical world so you know we hear

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everywhere uh your thoughts create or

372
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you know your state of mind affects your

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health or it has an effect on your body

374
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and stress level all that good stuff so

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we've been hearing all of this right

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but

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no one's kind of shown

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the connection between the two so that's

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what i did in the film superhuman the

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invisible made visible so we set up

381
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several experiments from

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having testing the effect of

383
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consciousness in tension on water

384
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changing the water the ph in water

385
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the electrical conductivity in water

386
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telekinesis moving an object with your

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thoughts um

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demonstrating how

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thinking or you know speaking through

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your voice

391
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that is also a frequency that changes

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the pattern

393
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um of your cells and so on and so forth

394
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so

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we were demonstrating all of these uh

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experiments in the film and then i

397
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stumbled on these kids that who are

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reading with blindfolds on

399
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and of course first i thought okay is

400
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this a trick or what's going on here

401
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and i'm making a film i mean i want to

402
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make sure that i'm not misrepresenting

403
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you know what i'm talking about so i

404
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went and i visited them myself

405
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and uh the first kids that i encountered

406
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were in the uk

407
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and i was blown away

408
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i mean

409
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first of all

410
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not only can they read totally

411
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blindfolded but you know they don't know

412
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so people will say oh well maybe they

413
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memorized the book no because i would

414
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just hold up a piece of paper or i would

415
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show them something an object that

416
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they've never they don't know

417
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they don't know what to expect and

418
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they're able to see it they're able to

419
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see behind their head

420
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you know behind their back they're able

421
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to see in another room so i mean you

422
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know even if you're a skeptic or you

423
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think oh maybe there's a little hole in

424
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the mask or something it just i mean

425
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there this is definite proof that this

426
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is not a trick plus

427
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they're playing ping-pong they're on a

428
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bicycle

429
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you know rollerblades so

430
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it's just so mind-blowing so

431
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then after that i was like whoa who else

432
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is doing that and then i discovered

433
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other groups

434
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i can't talk for all the groups i can

435
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talk about the groups that i know that i

436
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visited

437
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and there is something there

438
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to me

439
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this is the ultimate proof

440
00:17:16,470 --> 00:17:13,600
that with the proper training

441
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you can reprogram the functioning of

442
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your brain your brain is supposed to see

443
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when there's light the object reflects

444
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the light the light gets reflected

445
00:17:27,909 --> 00:17:26,000
through your eye you know i i mean the

446
00:17:30,070 --> 00:17:27,919
light bounces off the object then you

447
00:17:33,029 --> 00:17:30,080
see oh this is an object but if there's

448
00:17:35,909 --> 00:17:33,039
no light technically there's no sight

449
00:17:36,950 --> 00:17:35,919
there's no vision and yet what you're

450
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saying

451
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you're telling your brain there is light

452
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even though there is no light because

453
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it's completely

454
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blacked out you know

455
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and or for example when it's behind you

456
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or in another room so how does that work

457
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so

458
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to me it is the ultimate proof

459
00:18:00,230 --> 00:17:57,440
that your consciousness first of all is

460
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fundamental it's outside the body it's

461
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not a product

462
00:18:06,230 --> 00:18:04,799
it's not a byproduct um coming out of

463
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the brain

464
00:18:09,990 --> 00:18:08,799
it's not a physical thing and

465
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that you can

466
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program your brain to to do what you

467
00:18:17,430 --> 00:18:15,200
wanted to do i mean if you can do that

468
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then you can master your body you can

469
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make it

470
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shift things you know heal you can make

471
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it do anything you want so that's why i

472
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thought that discovery was incredible

473
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you know in the film a lot of people got

474
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very very impressed with that piece

475
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even on the most basic level people that

476
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are skeptical if you said okay well do

477
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you believe that if you woke up tomorrow

478
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and said it's a really crappy day do you

479
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think that would influence your day and

480
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maybe make it worse oh yeah for sure

481
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okay so if telling yourself today's a

482
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good or a bad day

483
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could affect the outcome that also

484
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stands true for everything in the

485
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quantum physics level manifestation you

486
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know meditation you know quieting the

487
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mind getting to different levels of

488
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vibration if you believe that saying

489
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it's a good or bad day works everything

490
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else must also fall into that you can't

491
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refute that extra evidence because it

492
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doesn't fit in with your line of

493
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thinking or what you've been taught your

494
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whole life

495
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it's an elephant in the room at that

496
00:19:17,510 --> 00:19:15,200
point

497
00:19:19,510 --> 00:19:17,520
exactly and people will say sometimes

498
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because i work with a lot of scientists

499
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and some scientists would say yeah but

500
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there's not enough evidence and i'm like

501
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even if there's one evidence

502
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you know if there's one person or one

503
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way that you could see behind this wall

504
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without you knowing what you know um

505
00:19:38,390 --> 00:19:37,120
then you then you broke the laws of

506
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physics oh i mean

507
00:19:43,029 --> 00:19:40,799
basically you went against all the laws

508
00:19:45,750 --> 00:19:43,039
that we know of and so

509
00:19:47,990 --> 00:19:45,760
even if there's one example that's good

510
00:19:51,990 --> 00:19:48,000
enough to at least look into the

511
00:19:54,710 --> 00:19:52,000
phenomenon uh as a scientist anyway so

512
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yeah i mean and to be honest if you

513
00:20:00,150 --> 00:19:57,440
really really look there's plenty of

514
00:20:02,549 --> 00:20:00,160
evidence and plenty of research and a

515
00:20:05,190 --> 00:20:02,559
lot of experiments that were done

516
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um for example just the ph you know

517
00:20:09,669 --> 00:20:07,440
william tiller actually did that

518
00:20:12,470 --> 00:20:09,679
experiment a while back you know with a

519
00:20:14,230 --> 00:20:12,480
group of people concentrating on water

520
00:20:16,390 --> 00:20:14,240
they changed the ph in water and i think

521
00:20:18,230 --> 00:20:16,400
they they put it in the mail and sent it

522
00:20:20,870 --> 00:20:18,240
to somebody else to see if it would

523
00:20:23,029 --> 00:20:20,880
maintain the ph that you know i mean

524
00:20:25,350 --> 00:20:23,039
there's a lot of experiment there's

525
00:20:27,029 --> 00:20:25,360
scientific papers there's also sorts of

526
00:20:28,470 --> 00:20:27,039
things if people really really want to

527
00:20:31,590 --> 00:20:28,480
look into it

528
00:20:33,909 --> 00:20:31,600
i like your approach of you know show

529
00:20:36,070 --> 00:20:33,919
rather than tell and you know leading up

530
00:20:37,830 --> 00:20:36,080
into your new movie a tear in the sky

531
00:20:39,430 --> 00:20:37,840
that is the theme throughout the entire

532
00:20:41,510 --> 00:20:39,440
movie in fact you even had william

533
00:20:42,870 --> 00:20:41,520
shatner on there and asked him you know

534
00:20:43,909 --> 00:20:42,880
what do you think what if we could

535
00:20:46,870 --> 00:20:43,919
actually

536
00:20:48,549 --> 00:20:46,880
set up this phenomenon get it on tape i

537
00:20:51,110 --> 00:20:48,559
mean it sounds like the perfect storm

538
00:20:53,029 --> 00:20:51,120
like yeah go ahead you know there's just

539
00:20:54,870 --> 00:20:53,039
been there done that but you had a

540
00:20:56,390 --> 00:20:54,880
different approach to it you had some

541
00:20:58,549 --> 00:20:56,400
gentlemen who we've previously

542
00:21:00,630 --> 00:20:58,559
interviewed uh brilliant people

543
00:21:03,350 --> 00:21:00,640
scientists inventing

544
00:21:06,070 --> 00:21:03,360
you know new instrumentation to allow us

545
00:21:08,310 --> 00:21:06,080
to maybe actually get some data we never

546
00:21:10,149 --> 00:21:08,320
previously got so maybe tell us a little

547
00:21:11,510 --> 00:21:10,159
bit about what led up to a tear in the

548
00:21:13,909 --> 00:21:11,520
sky

549
00:21:16,710 --> 00:21:13,919
yes so to be honest uh originally i was

550
00:21:18,310 --> 00:21:16,720
going to do the sequel for superhuman

551
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and then that was two years ago and all

552
00:21:21,350 --> 00:21:20,559
of a sudden i get this

553
00:21:23,510 --> 00:21:21,360
boom

554
00:21:26,149 --> 00:21:23,520
inspiration no no no do something on

555
00:21:27,750 --> 00:21:26,159
ufos and i'm like okay

556
00:21:29,590 --> 00:21:27,760
i'm just gonna follow my intuition and

557
00:21:31,909 --> 00:21:29,600
see with where that takes me

558
00:21:33,510 --> 00:21:31,919
and so i originally so that was two

559
00:21:35,909 --> 00:21:33,520
years ago right i thought if i'm gonna

560
00:21:38,310 --> 00:21:35,919
do something about ufos which i had

561
00:21:42,310 --> 00:21:38,320
explored before you know it's no nothing

562
00:21:44,950 --> 00:21:42,320
new but um i wanted to understand not

563
00:21:46,470 --> 00:21:44,960
just you know what type of technology

564
00:21:47,350 --> 00:21:46,480
you know if they appear in the sky and

565
00:21:48,630 --> 00:21:47,360
things like that i mean that's

566
00:21:49,750 --> 00:21:48,640
fascinating

567
00:21:51,669 --> 00:21:49,760
but

568
00:21:55,590 --> 00:21:51,679
what mechanism

569
00:21:57,669 --> 00:21:55,600
does the universe have to allow

570
00:21:59,990 --> 00:21:57,679
space travel you know i'm more

571
00:22:01,350 --> 00:22:00,000
interested in the mechanics of life you

572
00:22:04,390 --> 00:22:01,360
know of the you know

573
00:22:05,830 --> 00:22:04,400
so because of that i believe um that

574
00:22:08,870 --> 00:22:05,840
there are

575
00:22:10,870 --> 00:22:08,880
you know nodes in space

576
00:22:14,149 --> 00:22:10,880
uh points in space

577
00:22:16,149 --> 00:22:14,159
that allow a sort of a warping of the

578
00:22:18,230 --> 00:22:16,159
fabric of space-time that allow all

579
00:22:21,029 --> 00:22:18,240
sorts of anomalies to happen exactly in

580
00:22:24,950 --> 00:22:21,039
these points and so

581
00:22:28,950 --> 00:22:24,960
um so therefore i at the time i called

582
00:22:31,110 --> 00:22:28,960
the film a tear in the sky two years ago

583
00:22:32,950 --> 00:22:31,120
and uh because i thought it would be

584
00:22:35,270 --> 00:22:32,960
some sort of

585
00:22:39,430 --> 00:22:35,280
tear or opening or something

586
00:22:41,510 --> 00:22:39,440
and that was december by march

587
00:22:44,549 --> 00:22:41,520
we started researching how would i go

588
00:22:47,190 --> 00:22:44,559
about this my signature as a filmmaker

589
00:22:49,510 --> 00:22:47,200
as you saw is to bring science to bring

590
00:22:51,909 --> 00:22:49,520
validation to bring credibility to a

591
00:22:54,470 --> 00:22:51,919
paranormal subject and so i started

592
00:22:57,190 --> 00:22:54,480
looking for scientists first

593
00:23:00,870 --> 00:22:57,200
and then i stumbled on kevin day

594
00:23:04,630 --> 00:23:00,880
and kevin day is the radar operator

595
00:23:07,350 --> 00:23:04,640
who was on the uss nimitz in 2004

596
00:23:08,789 --> 00:23:07,360
he was the first one who saw captured

597
00:23:10,789 --> 00:23:08,799
that tic tac

598
00:23:12,390 --> 00:23:10,799
video

599
00:23:15,669 --> 00:23:12,400
for those who are familiar with that

600
00:23:18,470 --> 00:23:15,679
whole story and so i called kevin

601
00:23:21,510 --> 00:23:18,480
and then i said hey i want to do a

602
00:23:24,149 --> 00:23:21,520
scientific approach to the phenomenon

603
00:23:27,110 --> 00:23:24,159
let's stop saying it's us it's them blah

604
00:23:29,350 --> 00:23:27,120
blah blah let's go and see if we can

605
00:23:30,390 --> 00:23:29,360
capture them ourselves

606
00:23:31,669 --> 00:23:30,400
uh from

607
00:23:34,390 --> 00:23:31,679
scratch how would we do it

608
00:23:36,470 --> 00:23:34,400
scientifically and he goes oh my god

609
00:23:38,230 --> 00:23:36,480
i've been thinking about the same thing

610
00:23:40,630 --> 00:23:38,240
for two years

611
00:23:44,310 --> 00:23:40,640
i have i have these two scientists

612
00:23:47,669 --> 00:23:44,320
already on board and i have david mason

613
00:23:49,830 --> 00:23:47,679
and you know so so i thought oh well you

614
00:23:51,590 --> 00:23:49,840
know since they have the group together

615
00:23:53,990 --> 00:23:51,600
why not so

616
00:23:57,269 --> 00:23:54,000
so i said i'm going to make a film and i

617
00:23:59,110 --> 00:23:57,279
wanted scientific and as a filmmaker the

618
00:24:00,950 --> 00:23:59,120
first thing you do

619
00:24:01,669 --> 00:24:00,960
uh i mean i don't know how others do it

620
00:24:04,630 --> 00:24:01,679
but

621
00:24:06,630 --> 00:24:04,640
you look for other similar material you

622
00:24:08,549 --> 00:24:06,640
know to make sure you're not repeating

623
00:24:13,110 --> 00:24:08,559
or not copying or something

624
00:24:16,830 --> 00:24:13,120
and i was shocked i was shocked to see

625
00:24:20,149 --> 00:24:16,840
that to discover that there were no

626
00:24:22,390 --> 00:24:20,159
scientific uh research done on the ufo

627
00:24:25,590 --> 00:24:22,400
subject i'm like oh my god like no one's

628
00:24:27,830 --> 00:24:25,600
had this idea like how is that possible

629
00:24:30,630 --> 00:24:27,840
so i was even more convinced i kind of

630
00:24:32,950 --> 00:24:30,640
understood my intuition to do this

631
00:24:34,070 --> 00:24:32,960
because it has never been done before

632
00:24:37,190 --> 00:24:34,080
and so

633
00:24:38,789 --> 00:24:37,200
by march we had the team together we had

634
00:24:42,070 --> 00:24:38,799
uh the production you know the whole

635
00:24:43,669 --> 00:24:42,080
thing ready in july we we were in

636
00:24:45,750 --> 00:24:43,679
production filming

637
00:24:48,390 --> 00:24:45,760
and then by september we were cutting i

638
00:24:51,029 --> 00:24:48,400
mean in terms of filmmaking

639
00:24:53,430 --> 00:24:51,039
this is lightning speed

640
00:24:54,470 --> 00:24:53,440
and so that's kind of how it all came

641
00:24:56,470 --> 00:24:54,480
about

642
00:24:58,070 --> 00:24:56,480
especially with covet going on i mean

643
00:24:59,350 --> 00:24:58,080
there was all these regulations and

644
00:25:01,510 --> 00:24:59,360
everything that

645
00:25:03,190 --> 00:25:01,520
has slowed the process down so

646
00:25:04,390 --> 00:25:03,200
kudos for you guys for uh getting

647
00:25:06,470 --> 00:25:04,400
through that

648
00:25:08,630 --> 00:25:06,480
yeah exactly and we you know we didn't

649
00:25:11,350 --> 00:25:08,640
know and and i was like just going it

650
00:25:13,590 --> 00:25:11,360
was so weird i mean i just knew that i

651
00:25:15,669 --> 00:25:13,600
was going in the right direction i just

652
00:25:17,510 --> 00:25:15,679
had to do it and things just kind of

653
00:25:19,110 --> 00:25:17,520
just falling into place including

654
00:25:20,070 --> 00:25:19,120
william shatner

655
00:25:22,630 --> 00:25:20,080
so

656
00:25:24,230 --> 00:25:22,640
and as you know you guys talked to david

657
00:25:26,310 --> 00:25:24,240
mason

658
00:25:29,510 --> 00:25:26,320
and that was an incredible gift i mean

659
00:25:32,549 --> 00:25:29,520
the guy first of all is he's a genius

660
00:25:36,390 --> 00:25:32,559
uh inventor technology expert but he

661
00:25:38,789 --> 00:25:36,400
also had all of this equipment

662
00:25:42,630 --> 00:25:38,799
very sophisticated equipment that

663
00:25:46,310 --> 00:25:42,640
allowed us to set it up in this way

664
00:25:47,990 --> 00:25:46,320
triangulate um we're talking you know i

665
00:25:49,909 --> 00:25:48,000
mean i'm sure he

666
00:25:51,430 --> 00:25:49,919
he mentioned it to you but for those who

667
00:25:55,430 --> 00:25:51,440
are listening to

668
00:25:58,070 --> 00:25:55,440
this episode you know we had

669
00:26:00,230 --> 00:25:58,080
all kinds of cameras night vision clear

670
00:26:01,830 --> 00:26:00,240
cameras which is a whole different

671
00:26:05,350 --> 00:26:01,840
expanded range of

672
00:26:08,630 --> 00:26:05,360
range of infrared spectrum analyzers

673
00:26:11,669 --> 00:26:08,640
radiation detectors magnetometers rf

674
00:26:13,029 --> 00:26:11,679
devices i mean the whole thing

675
00:26:15,190 --> 00:26:13,039
um

676
00:26:17,430 --> 00:26:15,200
in three locations so we can have try we

677
00:26:20,549 --> 00:26:17,440
can achieve tr triangulation

678
00:26:21,590 --> 00:26:20,559
and set up for five days non-stop

679
00:26:24,870 --> 00:26:21,600
and so

680
00:26:25,990 --> 00:26:24,880
so with that sort of setup uh i mean i

681
00:26:27,029 --> 00:26:26,000
was 100

682
00:26:29,669 --> 00:26:27,039
sure

683
00:26:32,230 --> 00:26:29,679
that it had never been done to that

684
00:26:34,230 --> 00:26:32,240
scale so something should happen you

685
00:26:36,710 --> 00:26:34,240
would think right right you got enough

686
00:26:39,029 --> 00:26:36,720
equipment anyways the thing i was amazed

687
00:26:40,870 --> 00:26:39,039
by was david mason's invention where he

688
00:26:43,510 --> 00:26:40,880
thought you know if you look in the sky

689
00:26:45,190 --> 00:26:43,520
you see a light as an observer you only

690
00:26:47,590 --> 00:26:45,200
get so much information out of that so

691
00:26:50,070 --> 00:26:47,600
he takes a camera and modifies it so

692
00:26:51,990 --> 00:26:50,080
that light now becomes a sound waveform

693
00:26:54,310 --> 00:26:52,000
with a lot of unique identifying

694
00:26:56,390 --> 00:26:54,320
characters so very quickly you look at a

695
00:26:59,990 --> 00:26:56,400
747 it's always going to have that

696
00:27:02,149 --> 00:27:00,000
similar unique waveform of a 747 and

697
00:27:03,750 --> 00:27:02,159
then to go one step further than that he

698
00:27:05,430 --> 00:27:03,760
says okay well i'm taking light and

699
00:27:08,470 --> 00:27:05,440
making it into sound i'm going to

700
00:27:10,870 --> 00:27:08,480
reproject reproject it back out there at

701
00:27:12,549 --> 00:27:10,880
the same level it's coming into us so

702
00:27:16,310 --> 00:27:12,559
rather than like seti trying to

703
00:27:18,149 --> 00:27:16,320
communicate with am and fm and uhf this

704
00:27:20,630 --> 00:27:18,159
is taking whatever frequency they could

705
00:27:21,990 --> 00:27:20,640
potentially already be admitting

706
00:27:23,590 --> 00:27:22,000
and sending it back in their own

707
00:27:27,029 --> 00:27:23,600
language even if it's just on an

708
00:27:29,029 --> 00:27:27,039
infantile level like mama mama but if

709
00:27:31,190 --> 00:27:29,039
they hear what they're sending they're

710
00:27:33,990 --> 00:27:31,200
gonna know we copy and we can send it

711
00:27:36,149 --> 00:27:34,000
back like it's just a brilliant aspect

712
00:27:38,230 --> 00:27:36,159
and a very unique mind would think of

713
00:27:40,310 --> 00:27:38,240
something like that it's never been done

714
00:27:42,870 --> 00:27:40,320
yeah never never been done and also

715
00:27:44,710 --> 00:27:42,880
we're talking we're broadcasting at 800

716
00:27:48,149 --> 00:27:44,720
terabytes right i mean for those who

717
00:27:49,750 --> 00:27:48,159
understand this is like insane yeah and

718
00:27:51,990 --> 00:27:49,760
you know yeah like you were saying

719
00:27:53,590 --> 00:27:52,000
instead of the radio frequencies or you

720
00:27:54,710 --> 00:27:53,600
know try to decide it just feels so

721
00:27:57,430 --> 00:27:54,720
primitive

722
00:28:00,070 --> 00:27:57,440
so having done that in the film not only

723
00:28:02,310 --> 00:28:00,080
the whole setup was a first but having

724
00:28:04,870 --> 00:28:02,320
that sort of inventions and technology i

725
00:28:05,909 --> 00:28:04,880
mean just brought it to a whole new

726
00:28:09,110 --> 00:28:05,919
level

727
00:28:10,230 --> 00:28:09,120
and so that's why i'm just super super

728
00:28:13,190 --> 00:28:10,240
excited

729
00:28:15,190 --> 00:28:13,200
about this film because it's not just a

730
00:28:16,010 --> 00:28:15,200
film and what we end up discovering as

731
00:28:17,430 --> 00:28:16,020
you know

732
00:28:20,149 --> 00:28:17,440
[Laughter]

733
00:28:21,590 --> 00:28:20,159
is not just the typical stuff but i

734
00:28:24,470 --> 00:28:21,600
think we

735
00:28:26,789 --> 00:28:24,480
we demonstrate we show very clearly

736
00:28:29,110 --> 00:28:26,799
speaking of showing

737
00:28:30,789 --> 00:28:29,120
very very clearly on camera the

738
00:28:32,710 --> 00:28:30,799
different anomalies i mean the stuff

739
00:28:35,110 --> 00:28:32,720
that hovers around

740
00:28:38,710 --> 00:28:35,120
that turn that changes direction that

741
00:28:42,470 --> 00:28:38,720
zigzags the stuff that appears tilts

742
00:28:43,750 --> 00:28:42,480
rotates disappear registers cold

743
00:28:46,950 --> 00:28:43,760
um

744
00:28:50,230 --> 00:28:46,960
the stuff that rains down at you know 60

745
00:28:53,029 --> 00:28:50,240
000 miles an hour and then finally that

746
00:28:54,950 --> 00:28:53,039
tear you know that opening in the sky

747
00:28:57,590 --> 00:28:54,960
um which was

748
00:28:59,269 --> 00:28:57,600
it's it's crazy i mean i

749
00:29:01,990 --> 00:28:59,279
you know scientists are still scratching

750
00:29:05,190 --> 00:29:02,000
their heads i'm waiting for

751
00:29:08,310 --> 00:29:05,200
someone to still come out and tell me

752
00:29:10,870 --> 00:29:08,320
oh we've seen this before this is some

753
00:29:13,269 --> 00:29:10,880
phenomenon blah blah you know so i'm

754
00:29:15,669 --> 00:29:13,279
still actually i am getting

755
00:29:18,149 --> 00:29:15,679
messages and emails sometimes from

756
00:29:20,310 --> 00:29:18,159
scientists who have watched the film

757
00:29:22,789 --> 00:29:20,320
um trying to offer some sort of

758
00:29:25,350 --> 00:29:22,799
explanation but so far

759
00:29:27,430 --> 00:29:25,360
nothing's checking out so this is this

760
00:29:29,990 --> 00:29:27,440
is i think we're on to something huge

761
00:29:32,149 --> 00:29:30,000
here you basically replicated the tic

762
00:29:33,990 --> 00:29:32,159
tac video i mean even the guys on the

763
00:29:35,830 --> 00:29:34,000
gunner footage talked about hey you know

764
00:29:37,909 --> 00:29:35,840
the way up here is the fleet of them

765
00:29:39,990 --> 00:29:37,919
they're all raining down and

766
00:29:43,029 --> 00:29:40,000
even what lou elizando talks about with

767
00:29:45,110 --> 00:29:43,039
these things being you know intermedium

768
00:29:46,630 --> 00:29:45,120
based they can go from air to water it

769
00:29:48,789 --> 00:29:46,640
doesn't seem to matter

770
00:29:51,029 --> 00:29:48,799
crazy speeds and g-forces that would

771
00:29:53,669 --> 00:29:51,039
kill any living creature so you

772
00:29:55,909 --> 00:29:53,679
basically replicated the same video that

773
00:29:58,710 --> 00:29:55,919
the new york times released that has

774
00:30:01,269 --> 00:29:58,720
changed this entire subject and you did

775
00:30:03,750 --> 00:30:01,279
that within five days so it's either you

776
00:30:06,230 --> 00:30:03,760
had the right equipment to catch this or

777
00:30:08,470 --> 00:30:06,240
it's so prevalent that anybody could

778
00:30:10,149 --> 00:30:08,480
catch it and it's almost like we should

779
00:30:11,430 --> 00:30:10,159
be spending more attention on that

780
00:30:13,669 --> 00:30:11,440
because if you think the government's

781
00:30:15,350 --> 00:30:13,679
going to come clean with what they know

782
00:30:17,430 --> 00:30:15,360
we're still 80 years in the making for

783
00:30:19,430 --> 00:30:17,440
that full story

784
00:30:23,110 --> 00:30:19,440
yeah and just think about this louis

785
00:30:25,510 --> 00:30:23,120
like if we did that in five days

786
00:30:27,750 --> 00:30:25,520
exactly they're not gonna tell me that

787
00:30:29,990 --> 00:30:27,760
the government with all their satellites

788
00:30:32,389 --> 00:30:30,000
and radars when they come out and say we

789
00:30:34,389 --> 00:30:32,399
don't have data or we have 400 cases but

790
00:30:36,710 --> 00:30:34,399
we don't know what they are i mean we're

791
00:30:38,789 --> 00:30:36,720
civilians you know and we come out and

792
00:30:40,710 --> 00:30:38,799
look at the difference in the budget

793
00:30:43,669 --> 00:30:40,720
yeah you don't have trillions in black

794
00:30:45,590 --> 00:30:43,679
budget money to do this yes and what

795
00:30:46,630 --> 00:30:45,600
you're saying the question is what you

796
00:30:49,190 --> 00:30:46,640
said

797
00:30:52,230 --> 00:30:49,200
um you're using the right equipment or

798
00:30:54,789 --> 00:30:52,240
what is it it's actually both you know

799
00:30:56,310 --> 00:30:54,799
because uh some of the these things that

800
00:30:58,870 --> 00:30:56,320
were falling down

801
00:31:01,110 --> 00:30:58,880
uh these were caught on flare cameras

802
00:31:04,070 --> 00:31:01,120
and the infrared so you couldn't see

803
00:31:05,830 --> 00:31:04,080
them with the naked eye yeah so it's

804
00:31:08,310 --> 00:31:05,840
true that you have to have proper

805
00:31:10,789 --> 00:31:08,320
equipment and we were so lucky thanks to

806
00:31:13,990 --> 00:31:10,799
david mason again that it wasn't just

807
00:31:15,750 --> 00:31:14,000
one flare we had eight flares and for

808
00:31:17,590 --> 00:31:15,760
those who don't know

809
00:31:19,110 --> 00:31:17,600
this type of clear cameras these aren't

810
00:31:22,070 --> 00:31:19,120
the things you buy

811
00:31:25,269 --> 00:31:22,080
you know online i mean i mean you do but

812
00:31:27,190 --> 00:31:25,279
it's like industrial grade um fifty

813
00:31:27,990 --> 00:31:27,200
thousand dollars a piece we had eight of

814
00:31:30,389 --> 00:31:28,000
them

815
00:31:33,029 --> 00:31:30,399
you know and that's how we were able to

816
00:31:35,909 --> 00:31:33,039
capture some of these anomalies so

817
00:31:37,830 --> 00:31:35,919
so that that's one advantage and also is

818
00:31:40,950 --> 00:31:37,840
it prevalent that is that the reason why

819
00:31:42,789 --> 00:31:40,960
i think it is also in that area that's

820
00:31:44,950 --> 00:31:42,799
another reason why

821
00:31:46,950 --> 00:31:44,960
we decided to go back because it kind of

822
00:31:49,190 --> 00:31:46,960
made sense when i

823
00:31:50,870 --> 00:31:49,200
you know connected with kevin day

824
00:31:53,430 --> 00:31:50,880
and we were discussing okay so where

825
00:31:56,789 --> 00:31:53,440
should we go you know um

826
00:31:59,350 --> 00:31:56,799
then we i was like wait a minute

827
00:32:02,149 --> 00:31:59,360
you were there in catalina area and then

828
00:32:04,470 --> 00:32:02,159
after the uss nimitz there was the uss

829
00:32:07,590 --> 00:32:04,480
princeton the uss omaha

830
00:32:10,230 --> 00:32:07,600
all in the same area uh talking about

831
00:32:12,549 --> 00:32:10,240
those tic tac objects so

832
00:32:14,950 --> 00:32:12,559
let's make it a story you know so let's

833
00:32:17,830 --> 00:32:14,960
see if we can go back and to be honest

834
00:32:19,269 --> 00:32:17,840
that was an idea i was just praying for

835
00:32:21,830 --> 00:32:19,279
one thing

836
00:32:24,470 --> 00:32:21,840
i was like come on you guys just like

837
00:32:26,870 --> 00:32:24,480
show up like give me one thing this is a

838
00:32:29,669 --> 00:32:26,880
lot of expense a lot of money a lot of

839
00:32:31,830 --> 00:32:29,679
effort and um

840
00:32:33,430 --> 00:32:31,840
i was blown away we were blown away when

841
00:32:35,190 --> 00:32:33,440
it wasn't just one thing first of all it

842
00:32:38,470 --> 00:32:35,200
was multiple things

843
00:32:40,630 --> 00:32:38,480
and for the [\h__\h] the exact shape tic tac

844
00:32:43,750 --> 00:32:40,640
to traveling against the wind you know

845
00:32:45,269 --> 00:32:43,760
coming down exactly in the same pattern

846
00:32:47,190 --> 00:32:45,279
i mean that's

847
00:32:48,149 --> 00:32:47,200
it i think it was done on purpose or

848
00:32:50,310 --> 00:32:48,159
something

849
00:32:51,830 --> 00:32:50,320
it was whatever you needed to manifest

850
00:32:55,509 --> 00:32:51,840
that was the time

851
00:32:58,149 --> 00:32:55,519
i know that was insane so one thing that

852
00:33:00,950 --> 00:32:58,159
i did like about the documentary was um

853
00:33:04,230 --> 00:33:00,960
the emotional state of you know even

854
00:33:06,389 --> 00:33:04,240
kevin day and gary voorhees um just the

855
00:33:08,310 --> 00:33:06,399
way that they were about their sighting

856
00:33:10,870 --> 00:33:08,320
and how much of a profound impact it

857
00:33:12,870 --> 00:33:10,880
made on them that they totally jumped on

858
00:33:15,190 --> 00:33:12,880
board this project and said absolutely

859
00:33:16,710 --> 00:33:15,200
we'll do this right

860
00:33:19,110 --> 00:33:16,720
i think most people

861
00:33:21,029 --> 00:33:19,120
forget that it's not just a sighting but

862
00:33:23,430 --> 00:33:21,039
sometimes it's a really profound life

863
00:33:25,350 --> 00:33:23,440
change and it appears to be that way for

864
00:33:26,549 --> 00:33:25,360
kevin day i mean he was just so

865
00:33:29,269 --> 00:33:26,559
emotional

866
00:33:31,269 --> 00:33:29,279
and you know just it's nice to see that

867
00:33:33,909 --> 00:33:31,279
that somebody in the military can be so

868
00:33:35,909 --> 00:33:33,919
emotional and saying hey this is

869
00:33:37,990 --> 00:33:35,919
something definitely worth looking into

870
00:33:39,590 --> 00:33:38,000
um and you have that in your documentary

871
00:33:42,630 --> 00:33:39,600
you can actually see that human side to

872
00:33:44,230 --> 00:33:42,640
them which i really liked that aspect of

873
00:33:46,630 --> 00:33:44,240
it for sure

874
00:33:48,870 --> 00:33:46,640
yeah to be honest originally i wasn't

875
00:33:51,430 --> 00:33:48,880
gonna focus to focus on it because it

876
00:33:53,269 --> 00:33:51,440
was out you know on youtube and things

877
00:33:56,470 --> 00:33:53,279
like that so a lot of people were

878
00:34:00,549 --> 00:33:56,480
familiar with the stories somehow

879
00:34:04,070 --> 00:34:00,559
somewhat but when i interviewed kevin

880
00:34:06,870 --> 00:34:04,080
uh i mean he was so emotional so

881
00:34:09,669 --> 00:34:06,880
he touched me so much

882
00:34:12,550 --> 00:34:09,679
that i was like wait a minute this needs

883
00:34:15,990 --> 00:34:12,560
to be in the story i mean this has to be

884
00:34:19,270 --> 00:34:16,000
weaved in because that's what started

885
00:34:21,349 --> 00:34:19,280
this whole conversation you know um from

886
00:34:23,349 --> 00:34:21,359
the because because they were

887
00:34:25,030 --> 00:34:23,359
told to not talk about

888
00:34:26,310 --> 00:34:25,040
this like why

889
00:34:28,470 --> 00:34:26,320
and so

890
00:34:31,510 --> 00:34:28,480
so it turned out to be actually it ended

891
00:34:33,190 --> 00:34:31,520
up being my favorite part like you yeah

892
00:34:36,149 --> 00:34:33,200
yeah it was so

893
00:34:39,349 --> 00:34:36,159
weaving in the real uh emotional story

894
00:34:42,950 --> 00:34:39,359
of these guys and the science

895
00:34:45,909 --> 00:34:42,960
made it more uh current you know like

896
00:34:48,389 --> 00:34:45,919
uh it's connected to real people you

897
00:34:51,430 --> 00:34:48,399
know it's not this sciency thing you

898
00:34:53,669 --> 00:34:51,440
know that's totally impersonal and uh so

899
00:34:56,310 --> 00:34:53,679
so yeah yeah and you know when you do a

900
00:34:57,510 --> 00:34:56,320
documentary you you have a storyline an

901
00:35:00,150 --> 00:34:57,520
outline but

902
00:35:02,630 --> 00:35:00,160
things shift as you interview people and

903
00:35:04,470 --> 00:35:02,640
you discover things and uh that was

904
00:35:07,270 --> 00:35:04,480
definitely a good

905
00:35:09,270 --> 00:35:07,280
way so thanks for for saying that

906
00:35:11,670 --> 00:35:09,280
i think a lot of people related to it as

907
00:35:14,310 --> 00:35:11,680
well i think the people fueling the

908
00:35:16,230 --> 00:35:14,320
whole disclosure movement are people

909
00:35:18,710 --> 00:35:16,240
that have had that where they know what

910
00:35:21,030 --> 00:35:18,720
they saw it affected them in a way

911
00:35:22,790 --> 00:35:21,040
sometimes not so good i'm sure a lot of

912
00:35:24,790 --> 00:35:22,800
people you know we interviewed calvin

913
00:35:26,150 --> 00:35:24,800
parker and for years and years and years

914
00:35:27,990 --> 00:35:26,160
he never opened his mouth didn't even

915
00:35:29,829 --> 00:35:28,000
tell his wife they're not up there

916
00:35:31,990 --> 00:35:29,839
waving the flag saying everybody look at

917
00:35:34,150 --> 00:35:32,000
me i have a cool story they don't want

918
00:35:35,670 --> 00:35:34,160
to talk about it it's the opposite of

919
00:35:37,589 --> 00:35:35,680
what you would expect if you're trying

920
00:35:40,390 --> 00:35:37,599
to get famous so that tells you that

921
00:35:41,750 --> 00:35:40,400
there's a real deep impact and again for

922
00:35:43,270 --> 00:35:41,760
a lot of people it went against

923
00:35:45,750 --> 00:35:43,280
everything they were ever taught

924
00:35:46,630 --> 00:35:45,760
religiously or otherwise or even just

925
00:35:48,870 --> 00:35:46,640
you know

926
00:35:50,630 --> 00:35:48,880
what they did was so bizarre

927
00:35:52,230 --> 00:35:50,640
that their brain just couldn't fully

928
00:35:55,030 --> 00:35:52,240
comprehend what the hell had happened

929
00:35:57,589 --> 00:35:55,040
and a lot of them only recall after

930
00:35:59,910 --> 00:35:57,599
hypnotherapy transgression therapy

931
00:36:02,150 --> 00:35:59,920
things to try to help them get this out

932
00:36:05,349 --> 00:36:02,160
from their subconscious because the

933
00:36:08,390 --> 00:36:05,359
brain likes to to hide trauma it likes

934
00:36:10,390 --> 00:36:08,400
to sequester it away and so i mean it's

935
00:36:12,790 --> 00:36:10,400
it's the human element of all of this

936
00:36:14,470 --> 00:36:12,800
phenomenon i think that's really keeping

937
00:36:16,150 --> 00:36:14,480
it going or it would have fizzled out

938
00:36:18,870 --> 00:36:16,160
decades ago

939
00:36:21,589 --> 00:36:18,880
yeah and it just shows you how it ended

940
00:36:24,230 --> 00:36:21,599
up being so perfectly orchestrated

941
00:36:26,550 --> 00:36:24,240
because we started with their story

942
00:36:28,230 --> 00:36:26,560
we ended up we didn't know we were going

943
00:36:31,109 --> 00:36:28,240
to find the exact same tick tock we

944
00:36:31,990 --> 00:36:31,119
didn't know at the time right

945
00:36:35,030 --> 00:36:32,000
so

946
00:36:37,030 --> 00:36:35,040
they tell tell their story

947
00:36:39,589 --> 00:36:37,040
after they tell their story we find the

948
00:36:42,150 --> 00:36:39,599
exact same looking tic tacs

949
00:36:44,390 --> 00:36:42,160
and the things falling down raining down

950
00:36:46,790 --> 00:36:44,400
in exactly the same way they describe it

951
00:36:48,310 --> 00:36:46,800
and of course at the end the wormhole uh

952
00:36:50,390 --> 00:36:48,320
discovery thing

953
00:36:53,670 --> 00:36:50,400
and it's almost like

954
00:36:55,190 --> 00:36:53,680
they made this stone that they were they

955
00:36:57,589 --> 00:36:55,200
told their story

956
00:36:59,270 --> 00:36:57,599
and they came out of this film this

957
00:37:00,630 --> 00:36:59,280
whole story

958
00:37:02,470 --> 00:37:00,640
kind of

959
00:37:05,190 --> 00:37:02,480
like they found closure

960
00:37:09,910 --> 00:37:07,589
like they proved their their point that

961
00:37:13,349 --> 00:37:09,920
hey we weren't crazy yeah so it's a

962
00:37:15,990 --> 00:37:13,359
great story of retribution can we say

963
00:37:19,190 --> 00:37:16,000
that yeah you know i mean it's sort of a

964
00:37:21,589 --> 00:37:19,200
retribution in a way so i mean it's

965
00:37:23,589 --> 00:37:21,599
fascinating the the one aspect too is

966
00:37:25,109 --> 00:37:23,599
like usually with ufo sightings and

967
00:37:26,710 --> 00:37:25,119
stuff like that is that it's not a

968
00:37:28,870 --> 00:37:26,720
repeatable

969
00:37:31,349 --> 00:37:28,880
thing so you can't experiment there you

970
00:37:33,109 --> 00:37:31,359
guys actually went there sat there for

971
00:37:35,829 --> 00:37:33,119
what about five days

972
00:37:38,550 --> 00:37:35,839
and you had repeatable experiments that

973
00:37:39,990 --> 00:37:38,560
you were able to capture and get data on

974
00:37:41,990 --> 00:37:40,000
so that's actually one of the first

975
00:37:44,710 --> 00:37:42,000
times i've ever seen that like i've

976
00:37:47,030 --> 00:37:44,720
never seen somebody be able to reproduce

977
00:37:49,109 --> 00:37:47,040
or capture something

978
00:37:51,109 --> 00:37:49,119
where somebody said hey this took place

979
00:37:54,230 --> 00:37:51,119
two years after the fact for crying out

980
00:37:56,870 --> 00:37:54,240
loud so yeah that that was amazing good

981
00:38:00,390 --> 00:37:56,880
job on that well actually the their tic

982
00:38:03,510 --> 00:38:00,400
tac object was 2004 yeah and then the

983
00:38:07,589 --> 00:38:03,520
subsequent ones was uss omaha uss kid

984
00:38:10,870 --> 00:38:07,599
that was i think 2014 and 15 i believe

985
00:38:14,150 --> 00:38:10,880
and then hours it was

986
00:38:14,950 --> 00:38:14,160
obviously 2021. so yeah that's insane i

987
00:38:17,750 --> 00:38:14,960
mean

988
00:38:18,870 --> 00:38:17,760
uh but that shows you how

989
00:38:21,030 --> 00:38:18,880
you know

990
00:38:22,310 --> 00:38:21,040
it was it was somehow orchestrated i

991
00:38:25,910 --> 00:38:22,320
mean

992
00:38:28,630 --> 00:38:25,920
especially ending with that whole uh

993
00:38:30,790 --> 00:38:28,640
opening wormhole thing at the end

994
00:38:33,510 --> 00:38:30,800
who would have thought i mean

995
00:38:35,430 --> 00:38:33,520
it's it's uh you start to speaking of

996
00:38:36,710 --> 00:38:35,440
intelligence you know some sort of

997
00:38:40,790 --> 00:38:36,720
communication

998
00:38:42,550 --> 00:38:40,800
um people ask me do you think they knew

999
00:38:43,990 --> 00:38:42,560
you were doing that that they made

1000
00:38:46,710 --> 00:38:44,000
themselves

1001
00:38:48,310 --> 00:38:46,720
available and photographed because again

1002
00:38:50,630 --> 00:38:48,320
five days how many

1003
00:38:52,950 --> 00:38:50,640
times do you hear of people who go out

1004
00:38:54,069 --> 00:38:52,960
on expeditions you know and like nothing

1005
00:38:56,390 --> 00:38:54,079
happens

1006
00:38:58,870 --> 00:38:56,400
you know yeah it's like every bigfoot

1007
00:39:00,790 --> 00:38:58,880
documentary on television still waiting

1008
00:39:02,390 --> 00:39:00,800
to see the bigfoot

1009
00:39:05,190 --> 00:39:02,400
nothing ever happened

1010
00:39:08,150 --> 00:39:05,200
and so and i was i was thinking like

1011
00:39:10,069 --> 00:39:08,160
because i funded the project uh you know

1012
00:39:11,190 --> 00:39:10,079
because i was so sure i had to do this i

1013
00:39:12,790 --> 00:39:11,200
had to do this

1014
00:39:15,190 --> 00:39:12,800
it didn't really matter i was like just

1015
00:39:16,790 --> 00:39:15,200
go for it but as we were getting closer

1016
00:39:19,349 --> 00:39:16,800
and i'm paying all the bills you know i

1017
00:39:21,430 --> 00:39:19,359
was like oh wait a minute this is and as

1018
00:39:23,190 --> 00:39:21,440
you saw even from the trailer people who

1019
00:39:25,829 --> 00:39:23,200
will see even just the trailer you can

1020
00:39:28,150 --> 00:39:25,839
tell this is a big production yeah i

1021
00:39:29,829 --> 00:39:28,160
mean this is not we're not filming with

1022
00:39:31,990 --> 00:39:29,839
our iphones i mean we have we were

1023
00:39:32,790 --> 00:39:32,000
filming with red cameras for those who

1024
00:39:37,510 --> 00:39:32,800
know

1025
00:39:39,670 --> 00:39:37,520
sophisticated film camera we had three

1026
00:39:42,150 --> 00:39:39,680
crews so we literally had about 10

1027
00:39:45,589 --> 00:39:42,160
cameras and drones and stuff running at

1028
00:39:48,390 --> 00:39:45,599
the same time over five days non-stop

1029
00:39:50,950 --> 00:39:48,400
that was a very big production

1030
00:39:52,150 --> 00:39:50,960
from anyway i'm not a studio i mean

1031
00:39:54,630 --> 00:39:52,160
um

1032
00:39:57,349 --> 00:39:54,640
and so the more we were getting closer

1033
00:40:00,069 --> 00:39:57,359
and closer i was thinking

1034
00:40:02,150 --> 00:40:00,079
what five days that's not enough you

1035
00:40:04,150 --> 00:40:02,160
know like what if it's a

1036
00:40:06,630 --> 00:40:04,160
bigfoot you know

1037
00:40:09,589 --> 00:40:06,640
bad joke you know on me

1038
00:40:11,829 --> 00:40:09,599
and uh but you know the scientists that

1039
00:40:13,829 --> 00:40:11,839
i was working with who are in the film

1040
00:40:16,710 --> 00:40:13,839
are hardcore scientists they're like you

1041
00:40:19,510 --> 00:40:16,720
know forget about the c word meaning

1042
00:40:21,510 --> 00:40:19,520
consciousness you know communication

1043
00:40:23,589 --> 00:40:21,520
intelligence forget it forget it we're

1044
00:40:26,150 --> 00:40:23,599
nuts involved you know let's go measure

1045
00:40:29,109 --> 00:40:26,160
let's go which was good in a way because

1046
00:40:30,710 --> 00:40:29,119
we wanted that type of science because

1047
00:40:33,270 --> 00:40:30,720
that has never been done

1048
00:40:35,589 --> 00:40:33,280
so i was fine with that but i was kind

1049
00:40:38,470 --> 00:40:35,599
of on my own

1050
00:40:40,230 --> 00:40:38,480
in terms of so i was like in my hotel

1051
00:40:43,589 --> 00:40:40,240
room you know the day before i was like

1052
00:40:45,990 --> 00:40:43,599
okay guys please please

1053
00:40:47,510 --> 00:40:46,000
show me one thing just show up

1054
00:40:49,589 --> 00:40:47,520
and then of course

1055
00:40:51,349 --> 00:40:49,599
i knew it was going to be july 4th

1056
00:40:53,750 --> 00:40:51,359
14th

1057
00:40:56,630 --> 00:40:53,760
and so we planned it that week and sure

1058
00:40:58,630 --> 00:40:56,640
enough july 14th boom that was the first

1059
00:40:59,829 --> 00:40:58,640
sighting and you had phenomenon on the

1060
00:41:02,150 --> 00:40:59,839
first day

1061
00:41:04,150 --> 00:41:02,160
the the boys we had on last show david

1062
00:41:06,069 --> 00:41:04,160
altman and david mason they said that

1063
00:41:08,550 --> 00:41:06,079
they had their equipment set up but it

1064
00:41:10,069 --> 00:41:08,560
wasn't quite communicating perfectly yet

1065
00:41:12,870 --> 00:41:10,079
and so they had phenomenon and they're

1066
00:41:15,510 --> 00:41:12,880
like well even if a ufo shows up 10 feet

1067
00:41:17,030 --> 00:41:15,520
away we can't physically capture it even

1068
00:41:18,550 --> 00:41:17,040
though we're here and ready with all

1069
00:41:20,470 --> 00:41:18,560
this other stuff

1070
00:41:22,230 --> 00:41:20,480
you know but it showed up immediately

1071
00:41:24,309 --> 00:41:22,240
you didn't have to wait until the very

1072
00:41:26,069 --> 00:41:24,319
end you got signs right away that you

1073
00:41:27,990 --> 00:41:26,079
guys were onto something

1074
00:41:29,990 --> 00:41:28,000
yeah definitely they were actually

1075
00:41:32,230 --> 00:41:30,000
catalina was more

1076
00:41:35,190 --> 00:41:32,240
uh there were more stuff there right

1077
00:41:37,030 --> 00:41:35,200
away for us we were on the shore on the

1078
00:41:39,430 --> 00:41:37,040
laguna beach side it was slightly

1079
00:41:41,990 --> 00:41:39,440
different but we did have problems oh my

1080
00:41:45,670 --> 00:41:42,000
god so it took hours and hours and hours

1081
00:41:47,430 --> 00:41:45,680
to set up and calibrate all the cameras

1082
00:41:50,150 --> 00:41:47,440
and all the equipment and correlated

1083
00:41:51,829 --> 00:41:50,160
like so it's all time stamped together

1084
00:41:55,349 --> 00:41:51,839
and things like that

1085
00:41:57,349 --> 00:41:55,359
and um and also don't forget no one's

1086
00:41:59,190 --> 00:41:57,359
ever done this and we had never done

1087
00:42:00,790 --> 00:41:59,200
this this group had never worked

1088
00:42:02,870 --> 00:42:00,800
together before

1089
00:42:05,349 --> 00:42:02,880
and you know this was a first time

1090
00:42:07,109 --> 00:42:05,359
location first time everything

1091
00:42:09,349 --> 00:42:07,119
and so

1092
00:42:11,750 --> 00:42:09,359
we spent hours and hours uh

1093
00:42:14,710 --> 00:42:11,760
figuring all these equipment devices and

1094
00:42:16,470 --> 00:42:14,720
everything and and and then

1095
00:42:19,030 --> 00:42:16,480
when it got uh

1096
00:42:20,309 --> 00:42:19,040
all plugged in and connected there was a

1097
00:42:22,790 --> 00:42:20,319
power outage

1098
00:42:26,230 --> 00:42:22,800
oh no way yes it was

1099
00:42:28,390 --> 00:42:26,240
so i so we lost like two hours of data

1100
00:42:30,790 --> 00:42:28,400
and then it messed up all the timestamps

1101
00:42:33,270 --> 00:42:30,800
so we had to re oh my god i mean there

1102
00:42:36,790 --> 00:42:33,280
was a lot of things like that that

1103
00:42:39,670 --> 00:42:36,800
happened that we learned from for sure

1104
00:42:40,550 --> 00:42:39,680
while the ufos were showing up you know

1105
00:42:42,950 --> 00:42:40,560
so

1106
00:42:45,190 --> 00:42:42,960
it was one of those things but uh thank

1107
00:42:47,910 --> 00:42:45,200
goodness you know something i mean we

1108
00:42:49,670 --> 00:42:47,920
ended up with incredible incredible

1109
00:42:51,990 --> 00:42:49,680
right i mean right

1110
00:42:53,990 --> 00:42:52,000
yeah and i you know i find it funny that

1111
00:42:54,950 --> 00:42:54,000
uh the congress recently had their

1112
00:42:56,309 --> 00:42:54,960
hearing

1113
00:42:57,750 --> 00:42:56,319
with the

1114
00:43:00,069 --> 00:42:57,760
what i was saying i'm gonna pick your

1115
00:43:01,270 --> 00:43:00,079
brain about that but uh i thought it was

1116
00:43:03,190 --> 00:43:01,280
funny when they said we have no good

1117
00:43:05,510 --> 00:43:03,200
footage we have you know this is the

1118
00:43:07,349 --> 00:43:05,520
best footage that we have which is like

1119
00:43:09,349 --> 00:43:07,359
the probably one of the worst ones i've

1120
00:43:10,710 --> 00:43:09,359
ever seen i there's some stuff online

1121
00:43:13,349 --> 00:43:10,720
that they could have pulled

1122
00:43:15,990 --> 00:43:13,359
that was you know really good stuff uh

1123
00:43:17,670 --> 00:43:16,000
but as your video shows like that would

1124
00:43:20,069 --> 00:43:17,680
have been proof that i would have looked

1125
00:43:22,230 --> 00:43:20,079
into if i was part of the that team said

1126
00:43:24,309 --> 00:43:22,240
you know are they on to something here

1127
00:43:25,910 --> 00:43:24,319
because it's not just uh amateur

1128
00:43:28,230 --> 00:43:25,920
scientists that you had on you had on

1129
00:43:30,790 --> 00:43:28,240
major scientists uh some of them from

1130
00:43:33,190 --> 00:43:30,800
the social uh was it uh the scientific

1131
00:43:36,150 --> 00:43:33,200
coalition for uap studies someone from

1132
00:43:37,829 --> 00:43:36,160
uapx like you you really went above and

1133
00:43:40,550 --> 00:43:37,839
beyond on this one so

1134
00:43:42,470 --> 00:43:40,560
they should have advised you

1135
00:43:44,390 --> 00:43:42,480
i i know i was blown away i mean it's

1136
00:43:46,230 --> 00:43:44,400
kind of embarrassing honestly like you

1137
00:43:48,950 --> 00:43:46,240
said they could have why didn't they

1138
00:43:50,390 --> 00:43:48,960
show the tic tac video right i mean it's

1139
00:43:53,030 --> 00:43:50,400
like it doesn't make sense and then when

1140
00:43:54,550 --> 00:43:53,040
they showed that one i was like where

1141
00:43:56,470 --> 00:43:54,560
are we looking like what are we looking

1142
00:43:59,270 --> 00:43:56,480
at like and i in fact one of the

1143
00:44:01,829 --> 00:43:59,280
congressmen asked can you pull that clip

1144
00:44:04,390 --> 00:44:01,839
again and tell us exactly what we're

1145
00:44:07,109 --> 00:44:04,400
where we should be looking i don't know

1146
00:44:09,190 --> 00:44:07,119
i i i don't get it uh because like

1147
00:44:10,230 --> 00:44:09,200
you're saying there's so much credible

1148
00:44:12,309 --> 00:44:10,240
footage

1149
00:44:13,670 --> 00:44:12,319
available you know

1150
00:44:15,349 --> 00:44:13,680
to the public

1151
00:44:17,910 --> 00:44:15,359
especially the tic tac i mean it's

1152
00:44:20,309 --> 00:44:17,920
theirs it's the navies so i don't get it

1153
00:44:22,630 --> 00:44:20,319
there's something strange about that

1154
00:44:25,910 --> 00:44:22,640
and also like you're saying i mean we

1155
00:44:27,589 --> 00:44:25,920
had credible scientists um

1156
00:44:29,670 --> 00:44:27,599
uh in our team

1157
00:44:31,829 --> 00:44:29,680
just looking at the footage

1158
00:44:33,270 --> 00:44:31,839
that we captured in the film they don't

1159
00:44:35,910 --> 00:44:33,280
have to go to all the way to the

1160
00:44:38,309 --> 00:44:35,920
wormhole but just some of the very

1161
00:44:40,630 --> 00:44:38,319
obvious anomalies i mean the stuff that

1162
00:44:43,270 --> 00:44:40,640
comes out zigzags and goes back the

1163
00:44:44,870 --> 00:44:43,280
stuff that's cold i mean it's super

1164
00:44:47,430 --> 00:44:44,880
clear in my film

1165
00:44:48,790 --> 00:44:47,440
super clear right you know you know you

1166
00:44:51,670 --> 00:44:48,800
don't have to wonder like what am i

1167
00:44:54,309 --> 00:44:51,680
looking where is you know i mean so i i

1168
00:44:55,750 --> 00:44:54,319
don't understand so i'm hoping

1169
00:44:58,390 --> 00:44:55,760
that uh

1170
00:44:59,510 --> 00:44:58,400
someone will will find my film i i don't

1171
00:45:01,750 --> 00:44:59,520
know what i

1172
00:45:04,390 --> 00:45:01,760
you know i think we're we're gonna

1173
00:45:07,109 --> 00:45:04,400
be contacting some someone or they're

1174
00:45:08,309 --> 00:45:07,119
actually there's some efforts to to

1175
00:45:11,109 --> 00:45:08,319
contact

1176
00:45:13,190 --> 00:45:11,119
uh some congressmen and see what can be

1177
00:45:15,190 --> 00:45:13,200
done because uh

1178
00:45:18,150 --> 00:45:15,200
it just doesn't even make sense we're

1179
00:45:19,750 --> 00:45:18,160
civilians in five days yeah collecting

1180
00:45:22,069 --> 00:45:19,760
that amount

1181
00:45:23,910 --> 00:45:22,079
and that quality data

1182
00:45:25,430 --> 00:45:23,920
for them to say we don't have data it

1183
00:45:27,510 --> 00:45:25,440
just doesn't make any sense they could

1184
00:45:30,950 --> 00:45:27,520
have asked anybody that appeared at the

1185
00:45:33,190 --> 00:45:30,960
2001 national press club stephen greer

1186
00:45:35,750 --> 00:45:33,200
or anybody else any former military

1187
00:45:37,910 --> 00:45:35,760
robert salas the list is a mile long

1188
00:45:40,390 --> 00:45:37,920
there's people there they know it

1189
00:45:42,470 --> 00:45:40,400
it's just a way of appeasing somebody to

1190
00:45:43,510 --> 00:45:42,480
say yeah we did it we gave you your 15

1191
00:45:45,589 --> 00:45:43,520
minutes

1192
00:45:47,589 --> 00:45:45,599
didn't find anything like they're not

1193
00:45:49,510 --> 00:45:47,599
they're not going to have random public

1194
00:45:51,030 --> 00:45:49,520
people that they can't control and don't

1195
00:45:52,710 --> 00:45:51,040
know what they're going to say they're

1196
00:45:54,710 --> 00:45:52,720
not going to open that can of worms they

1197
00:45:57,030 --> 00:45:54,720
don't have to they're the government

1198
00:45:59,109 --> 00:45:57,040
they still get the veto if they say this

1199
00:46:00,470 --> 00:45:59,119
is all you get that's all you get

1200
00:46:02,950 --> 00:46:00,480
what are you gonna do right

1201
00:46:06,230 --> 00:46:02,960
yeah but but it's also their video the

1202
00:46:08,470 --> 00:46:06,240
tic tac it's a navy video so for them to

1203
00:46:10,230 --> 00:46:08,480
say this is the best that we have it's a

1204
00:46:13,109 --> 00:46:10,240
lie actually

1205
00:46:14,710 --> 00:46:13,119
and so or they're going to say well you

1206
00:46:16,950 --> 00:46:14,720
know whoever i don't remember the name

1207
00:46:17,829 --> 00:46:16,960
of the congressman who brought that up

1208
00:46:19,589 --> 00:46:17,839
but

1209
00:46:22,230 --> 00:46:19,599
maybe he's going to say well i didn't

1210
00:46:24,630 --> 00:46:22,240
that's all i am familiar with but that's

1211
00:46:26,150 --> 00:46:24,640
not even an excuse you know

1212
00:46:27,990 --> 00:46:26,160
it just doesn't the whole body of

1213
00:46:30,069 --> 00:46:28,000
evidence will never be brought into the

1214
00:46:31,670 --> 00:46:30,079
public eye unfortunately so it's going

1215
00:46:33,990 --> 00:46:31,680
to be up to people like you in the

1216
00:46:36,630 --> 00:46:34,000
civilian world people that willing to

1217
00:46:39,109 --> 00:46:36,640
spend money and take a big risk uh that

1218
00:46:41,270 --> 00:46:39,119
might be the biggest change to really

1219
00:46:43,190 --> 00:46:41,280
change this because again for decades

1220
00:46:45,030 --> 00:46:43,200
it's been this the same old same old

1221
00:46:46,870 --> 00:46:45,040
we'll launch an investigation nope

1222
00:46:49,670 --> 00:46:46,880
didn't find anything go back to your

1223
00:46:52,069 --> 00:46:49,680
life so yeah thanks to people like you

1224
00:46:54,150 --> 00:46:52,079
well it's not gonna happen it's not

1225
00:46:56,150 --> 00:46:54,160
gonna work anymore and that's what i'm

1226
00:46:58,390 --> 00:46:56,160
hoping to do with this film and as you

1227
00:47:01,270 --> 00:46:58,400
know i'm not the only one i'm the only

1228
00:47:01,990 --> 00:47:01,280
one this film is the only one that did

1229
00:47:05,190 --> 00:47:02,000
it

1230
00:47:07,670 --> 00:47:05,200
in real time live scientifically but

1231
00:47:10,550 --> 00:47:07,680
there's as you know hundreds of people

1232
00:47:14,470 --> 00:47:10,560
who have incredible real footage

1233
00:47:15,990 --> 00:47:14,480
so put the two together uh you know then

1234
00:47:17,430 --> 00:47:16,000
i i think

1235
00:47:20,230 --> 00:47:17,440
this film especially that's why i'm

1236
00:47:22,309 --> 00:47:20,240
trying to publicize this like crazy not

1237
00:47:25,030 --> 00:47:22,319
that it's a film but because of what it

1238
00:47:27,030 --> 00:47:25,040
you know what we are uncovering here you

1239
00:47:30,150 --> 00:47:27,040
know uh

1240
00:47:32,549 --> 00:47:30,160
i'm hoping that this will push them to

1241
00:47:33,910 --> 00:47:32,559
release data because

1242
00:47:35,910 --> 00:47:33,920
it just takes it's just going to take

1243
00:47:37,990 --> 00:47:35,920
one person to say wait a minute these

1244
00:47:39,109 --> 00:47:38,000
are civilians doing it scientifically in

1245
00:47:40,790 --> 00:47:39,119
five days

1246
00:47:42,549 --> 00:47:40,800
look at that these are credible

1247
00:47:43,910 --> 00:47:42,559
scientists working with nasa working

1248
00:47:45,990 --> 00:47:43,920
with this working

1249
00:47:48,549 --> 00:47:46,000
you know so there's no excuse so that's

1250
00:47:51,510 --> 00:47:48,559
what i'm saying i'm hoping this film is

1251
00:47:54,630 --> 00:47:51,520
going to trigger push

1252
00:47:56,710 --> 00:47:54,640
push them to release the data

1253
00:47:59,109 --> 00:47:56,720
also the implications of like if you

1254
00:48:00,150 --> 00:47:59,119
have a tear in the sky like your movie

1255
00:48:02,790 --> 00:48:00,160
title

1256
00:48:05,270 --> 00:48:02,800
at above catalina island

1257
00:48:08,790 --> 00:48:05,280
how many other locations on planet earth

1258
00:48:10,470 --> 00:48:08,800
as they're these portals that are appear

1259
00:48:12,710 --> 00:48:10,480
are they you know

1260
00:48:13,910 --> 00:48:12,720
designated these specific spots or is it

1261
00:48:16,549 --> 00:48:13,920
something that they're able to do

1262
00:48:18,549 --> 00:48:16,559
anywhere and like you mentioned uh you

1263
00:48:20,870 --> 00:48:18,559
captured a lot of different things in

1264
00:48:22,950 --> 00:48:20,880
the sky with different cameras that

1265
00:48:25,030 --> 00:48:22,960
would see you know

1266
00:48:26,230 --> 00:48:25,040
it was infrared and all that that you

1267
00:48:27,990 --> 00:48:26,240
had

1268
00:48:30,309 --> 00:48:28,000
we can't see it with the naked eye but

1269
00:48:31,349 --> 00:48:30,319
they're still there which then brings up

1270
00:48:34,470 --> 00:48:31,359
the questions

1271
00:48:36,470 --> 00:48:34,480
are they here constantly like non-stop

1272
00:48:38,630 --> 00:48:36,480
or are they just appearing occasionally

1273
00:48:41,270 --> 00:48:38,640
to do something right like it's just

1274
00:48:42,309 --> 00:48:41,280
that it led me to have a lot more

1275
00:48:43,750 --> 00:48:42,319
questions

1276
00:48:45,750 --> 00:48:43,760
at the end of the movie than i had

1277
00:48:46,630 --> 00:48:45,760
answers for sure because now i was like

1278
00:48:50,950 --> 00:48:46,640
whoa

1279
00:48:55,270 --> 00:48:53,430
to make you question you know the fabric

1280
00:48:57,430 --> 00:48:55,280
of reality itself

1281
00:49:00,230 --> 00:48:57,440
and so of course i have my theory on it

1282
00:49:02,870 --> 00:49:00,240
uh but yeah like you're saying uh sound

1283
00:49:04,230 --> 00:49:02,880
waves we don't see them but they exist

1284
00:49:06,710 --> 00:49:04,240
we hear

1285
00:49:09,270 --> 00:49:06,720
the magnetic field we don't see it but

1286
00:49:11,430 --> 00:49:09,280
it exists we know we can measure it we

1287
00:49:13,910 --> 00:49:11,440
can literally measure the magnetic field

1288
00:49:15,349 --> 00:49:13,920
so but so the fact that we don't see it

1289
00:49:17,349 --> 00:49:15,359
doesn't mean it's not there doesn't mean

1290
00:49:20,069 --> 00:49:17,359
it doesn't have an effect doesn't mean

1291
00:49:23,510 --> 00:49:20,079
it doesn't serve a purpose and i think

1292
00:49:26,230 --> 00:49:23,520
that's exactly what we're doing here

1293
00:49:28,790 --> 00:49:26,240
is using the technology that allows us

1294
00:49:31,030 --> 00:49:28,800
to capture things that we couldn't

1295
00:49:34,950 --> 00:49:31,040
normally see with the naked eye that's

1296
00:49:37,109 --> 00:49:34,960
why the infrared the the advanced flier

1297
00:49:39,270 --> 00:49:37,119
spectrum allows us to do that that's how

1298
00:49:41,109 --> 00:49:39,280
we captured those reigning tic tacs and

1299
00:49:42,309 --> 00:49:41,119
the other objects as well

1300
00:49:43,430 --> 00:49:42,319
and so

1301
00:49:46,150 --> 00:49:43,440
if

1302
00:49:49,270 --> 00:49:46,160
we do more of that which which is what

1303
00:49:51,829 --> 00:49:49,280
we're doing actually and we start to see

1304
00:49:53,270 --> 00:49:51,839
that there are these magnetic anomalies

1305
00:49:54,630 --> 00:49:53,280
i believe

1306
00:49:57,190 --> 00:49:54,640
um

1307
00:50:00,630 --> 00:49:57,200
that they are in specific locations

1308
00:50:02,790 --> 00:50:00,640
and they can also be warped in different

1309
00:50:04,950 --> 00:50:02,800
locations as well but there are

1310
00:50:07,030 --> 00:50:04,960
i want to say permanent locations

1311
00:50:09,589 --> 00:50:07,040
because they have to do with the

1312
00:50:11,990 --> 00:50:09,599
geometry of the planet itself now this

1313
00:50:15,030 --> 00:50:12,000
is my theory i can't prove it right now

1314
00:50:18,069 --> 00:50:15,040
but i'm working on it nice you know the

1315
00:50:21,990 --> 00:50:18,079
sequel movie yeah of course the sequel

1316
00:50:25,030 --> 00:50:22,000
series um yeah so so and i think that

1317
00:50:27,750 --> 00:50:25,040
certain uh points these nodes these hot

1318
00:50:30,710 --> 00:50:27,760
spots have to deal with the magnetic

1319
00:50:32,150 --> 00:50:30,720
field around the planet

1320
00:50:34,790 --> 00:50:32,160
that

1321
00:50:37,589 --> 00:50:34,800
what happens in those specific areas the

1322
00:50:40,950 --> 00:50:37,599
magnetic field is kind of concentrated

1323
00:50:43,750 --> 00:50:40,960
it creates criss-crossing lines in fact

1324
00:50:46,470 --> 00:50:43,760
nasa knows about this and out of space

1325
00:50:48,390 --> 00:50:46,480
anyway um where the magnet they call it

1326
00:50:50,790 --> 00:50:48,400
magnetic reconnection where these

1327
00:50:52,950 --> 00:50:50,800
magnetic uh

1328
00:50:54,470 --> 00:50:52,960
lines crisscross

1329
00:50:56,309 --> 00:50:54,480
and what happens

1330
00:50:59,670 --> 00:50:56,319
where they criss-cross

1331
00:51:01,829 --> 00:50:59,680
um you're kind of warping this

1332
00:51:03,910 --> 00:51:01,839
space-time fabric so

1333
00:51:05,670 --> 00:51:03,920
so when you do that you can also bend

1334
00:51:07,109 --> 00:51:05,680
light therefore you can if you're

1335
00:51:08,549 --> 00:51:07,119
sitting on the earth

1336
00:51:10,630 --> 00:51:08,559
if you're bending light so then

1337
00:51:13,349 --> 00:51:10,640
something appears disappears

1338
00:51:17,270 --> 00:51:13,359
you know you could speed because of the

1339
00:51:19,109 --> 00:51:17,280
the warping of uh the magnetic lines if

1340
00:51:23,109 --> 00:51:19,119
you will so there's all sorts of

1341
00:51:27,030 --> 00:51:23,119
anomalies that would be explained by

1342
00:51:28,630 --> 00:51:27,040
figuring out how these nodes function

1343
00:51:31,510 --> 00:51:28,640
the tear in the sky

1344
00:51:34,390 --> 00:51:31,520
and so and i call it a tear because i

1345
00:51:37,430 --> 00:51:34,400
feel that exactly at those nodes you're

1346
00:51:38,870 --> 00:51:37,440
actually outside time and space you're

1347
00:51:41,510 --> 00:51:38,880
in not

1348
00:51:44,309 --> 00:51:41,520
in any time space so you can pretty much

1349
00:51:46,630 --> 00:51:44,319
transport yourself at any other node

1350
00:51:48,309 --> 00:51:46,640
instantaneously faster than the speed of

1351
00:51:49,430 --> 00:51:48,319
sound it's faster than the speed of

1352
00:51:52,950 --> 00:51:49,440
light

1353
00:51:56,710 --> 00:51:52,960
and so that's kind of my theory so uh

1354
00:52:00,390 --> 00:51:56,720
i feel that it would explain a lot

1355
00:52:02,069 --> 00:52:00,400
now you had michio kaku on the

1356
00:52:04,390 --> 00:52:02,079
video as well that'd be definitely a

1357
00:52:06,069 --> 00:52:04,400
person to talk to about those theories

1358
00:52:07,430 --> 00:52:06,079
he can probably do the math and all that

1359
00:52:09,990 --> 00:52:07,440
for you right

1360
00:52:13,349 --> 00:52:10,000
exactly exactly so so yeah

1361
00:52:15,589 --> 00:52:13,359
ma michio kaku is incredible he's i just

1362
00:52:17,510 --> 00:52:15,599
talked to him today actually

1363
00:52:19,589 --> 00:52:17,520
he um

1364
00:52:21,349 --> 00:52:19,599
he's a pleasure first of all obviously

1365
00:52:25,349 --> 00:52:21,359
he's so knowledgeable

1366
00:52:28,309 --> 00:52:25,359
but um as a filmmaker he gives you

1367
00:52:30,470 --> 00:52:28,319
he's so eloquent he gives you incredible

1368
00:52:33,990 --> 00:52:30,480
bites without you even asking you're

1369
00:52:37,589 --> 00:52:34,000
like boom just like from the first take

1370
00:52:38,790 --> 00:52:37,599
he knows his stuff so well and how it

1371
00:52:40,790 --> 00:52:38,800
answers

1372
00:52:43,109 --> 00:52:40,800
even the ufo questions or even

1373
00:52:45,670 --> 00:52:43,119
extraterrestrial questions he's such a

1374
00:52:47,670 --> 00:52:45,680
pleasure to work with so he's definitely

1375
00:52:49,990 --> 00:52:47,680
my go-to person

1376
00:52:53,430 --> 00:52:50,000
william shatner is a totally different

1377
00:52:58,630 --> 00:52:56,630
that was also very interesting um to

1378
00:53:01,670 --> 00:52:58,640
have him as well do you want me to tell

1379
00:53:04,069 --> 00:53:01,680
you about that yeah please absolutely

1380
00:53:05,589 --> 00:53:04,079
so yeah we we had all this science and

1381
00:53:06,710 --> 00:53:05,599
all these scientists and i was very

1382
00:53:09,030 --> 00:53:06,720
happy but

1383
00:53:12,309 --> 00:53:09,040
um at one point it was towards the end

1384
00:53:15,030 --> 00:53:12,319
of production we were thinking okay so

1385
00:53:16,950 --> 00:53:15,040
this is going to be great because

1386
00:53:19,510 --> 00:53:16,960
you know we have the science and the

1387
00:53:20,309 --> 00:53:19,520
explanation scientific explanation but

1388
00:53:29,349 --> 00:53:20,319
i

1389
00:53:32,470 --> 00:53:29,359
and make them normal make them relatable

1390
00:53:34,069 --> 00:53:32,480
accessible to the normal pa you know the

1391
00:53:37,670 --> 00:53:34,079
general public

1392
00:53:39,670 --> 00:53:37,680
so i thought i needed one person

1393
00:53:42,870 --> 00:53:39,680
you know to bridge the gap like to

1394
00:53:44,549 --> 00:53:42,880
that's so relatable that even if you're

1395
00:53:47,109 --> 00:53:44,559
not into ufos you're going to want to

1396
00:53:49,109 --> 00:53:47,119
watch this film and you know of course

1397
00:53:51,109 --> 00:53:49,119
he came to mind because of you know i've

1398
00:53:52,950 --> 00:53:51,119
worked with him before and i've met him

1399
00:53:55,270 --> 00:53:52,960
before and somebody said what about

1400
00:53:57,750 --> 00:53:55,280
william shatner i was like okay

1401
00:54:00,150 --> 00:53:57,760
it's a long shot

1402
00:54:03,670 --> 00:54:00,160
we'll try speaking of how everything was

1403
00:54:06,470 --> 00:54:03,680
orchestrated so literally within days i

1404
00:54:07,910 --> 00:54:06,480
you know i called them and i

1405
00:54:09,670 --> 00:54:07,920
said this is what we're doing this is

1406
00:54:11,750 --> 00:54:09,680
who's in the film

1407
00:54:15,109 --> 00:54:11,760
would you like to participate and he

1408
00:54:21,030 --> 00:54:15,990
so

1409
00:54:24,710 --> 00:54:21,040
you know he's not a scientist but

1410
00:54:26,710 --> 00:54:24,720
he's so obviously he's into space travel

1411
00:54:28,549 --> 00:54:26,720
he just went to space

1412
00:54:30,309 --> 00:54:28,559
the mysteries

1413
00:54:33,109 --> 00:54:30,319
of the universe in fact he thinks

1414
00:54:35,109 --> 00:54:33,119
science is still pretty primitive it's

1415
00:54:37,349 --> 00:54:35,119
more the mechanics of the universe

1416
00:54:39,589 --> 00:54:37,359
consciousness things like that

1417
00:54:40,630 --> 00:54:39,599
so that's why he was perfect to give us

1418
00:54:42,390 --> 00:54:40,640
that

1419
00:54:44,549 --> 00:54:42,400
uh you know perspective as he was

1420
00:54:45,910 --> 00:54:44,559
commenting on the stuff we were doing

1421
00:54:48,309 --> 00:54:45,920
yeah it's just always good to see

1422
00:54:50,870 --> 00:54:48,319
william shatner um he's just you know

1423
00:54:52,390 --> 00:54:50,880
he's got that calming presence

1424
00:54:54,230 --> 00:54:52,400
to him like he just seems like the type

1425
00:54:55,910 --> 00:54:54,240
of person you want next to you if ever

1426
00:54:57,589 --> 00:54:55,920
you're at the hospital for

1427
00:54:59,349 --> 00:54:57,599
a surgery or something like that just to

1428
00:55:03,270 --> 00:54:59,359
calm you down he's got that presence to

1429
00:55:07,109 --> 00:55:05,349
uh louis do you have any final questions

1430
00:55:08,470 --> 00:55:07,119
for our guest today no i will i just

1431
00:55:10,069 --> 00:55:08,480
want to say thank you so much to

1432
00:55:11,829 --> 00:55:10,079
caroline corey it's been an amazing

1433
00:55:14,069 --> 00:55:11,839
interview we've been huge fans of your

1434
00:55:16,069 --> 00:55:14,079
work all the way along uh we're very

1435
00:55:17,510 --> 00:55:16,079
glad to put a positive light on your

1436
00:55:19,589 --> 00:55:17,520
current work i think it was

1437
00:55:21,750 --> 00:55:19,599
groundbreaking i think it was a one of a

1438
00:55:23,750 --> 00:55:21,760
kind and i think anybody uh who's

1439
00:55:26,390 --> 00:55:23,760
interested in this topic or even halfway

1440
00:55:27,990 --> 00:55:26,400
there should definitely check it out

1441
00:55:30,789 --> 00:55:28,000
now where can people follow you or learn

1442
00:55:32,789 --> 00:55:30,799
more about your other projects

1443
00:55:36,150 --> 00:55:32,799
the best thing is for people to go to

1444
00:55:38,230 --> 00:55:36,160
the website itareanthesky.com

1445
00:55:39,589 --> 00:55:38,240
and there they will they can watch the

1446
00:55:41,829 --> 00:55:39,599
film they'll see all the different

1447
00:55:43,190 --> 00:55:41,839
platforms where it's uh playing right

1448
00:55:45,349 --> 00:55:43,200
now

1449
00:55:48,390 --> 00:55:45,359
and there's a contact

1450
00:55:50,950 --> 00:55:48,400
tab if they want to send me you know

1451
00:55:53,109 --> 00:55:50,960
email or something like that and staying

1452
00:55:55,030 --> 00:55:53,119
you know kind of updated on all the

1453
00:55:57,430 --> 00:55:55,040
different things we're doing in that

1454
00:56:00,069 --> 00:55:57,440
subject but if people are interested in

1455
00:56:01,270 --> 00:56:00,079
my other work on consciousness

1456
00:56:03,829 --> 00:56:01,280
you know they can go to

1457
00:56:04,990 --> 00:56:03,839
superhumanfilm.com

1458
00:56:12,150 --> 00:56:05,000
or

1459
00:56:15,270 --> 00:56:12,160
tear in the sky

1460
00:56:17,190 --> 00:56:15,280
dot com is the most current

1461
00:56:19,750 --> 00:56:17,200
and the most groundbreaking i want to

1462
00:56:22,309 --> 00:56:19,760
say because it's leading us to some

1463
00:56:23,910 --> 00:56:22,319
really really big questions

1464
00:56:26,390 --> 00:56:23,920
caroline cory thank you so much for

1465
00:56:28,230 --> 00:56:26,400
coming on uap studies i hope we get to

1466
00:56:30,150 --> 00:56:28,240
have you on again and any time do you do

1467
00:56:32,309 --> 00:56:30,160
another documentary write a book or

1468
00:56:34,150 --> 00:56:32,319
anything you're always welcome here as

1469
00:56:35,589 --> 00:56:34,160
well and uh

1470
00:56:37,990 --> 00:56:35,599
yeah thank you so much for coming on the

1471
00:56:41,589 --> 00:56:38,000
podcast thanks so much for having me you

1472
00:56:44,570 --> 00:56:41,599
guys are so much fun this was great and